Courtright Twist And Academic Freedom

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  krikkku posted 4 yrs ago

AR:

"One small rejoinder. Read SB's essay (here) in support of Courtright. SB, gives a lot of literature which strongly concurs with most of the objectionable statements, that hindus found wrt to Ganesha."

When your famous SB posted his essay supporing Courtright, I and a few others challanged his views and provided contradictions. But SB never bothered to reply and took off. So the great essay proved quite a flop.

All I know is that you tried to reply to my posts to concur with SB and failed miserably (remember me asking whether people say "I am guarding my wife's nudicty" instead of saying "My wife is in the bath" ?- this was the basic error of judgement among others that you and SB make). In the end, you agreed with most of what I had written by not arguing any more in favour of SB's views (ofcourse saying directly "I am wrong, I agree with what you say" is not in your character to say).

- KK



  ArundhathiRoy posted 4 yrs ago

Dear Mr.Napumsak,

The issue here is about

i) Academic Freedom and the limits underwhich such freedom can operate.

ii)Misrepresentation of facts (in this case, how the elephant's trunk became a phallus).

iii) The validity of psychoanalysing Ganesha, when, it is known that Ganesha is a fictional character, and therefore cannot be psychoanalysed, and freudian psychoanalysis is a discredited procedure a few decades back.

Mr. Napumasak, may I bring to your attention that even though "righteous" hindus feel enraged by this incident, and their opinion is taken into consideration, it is foolish of us to think, that the "righteous" hindus will dictate the rules by which hinduism is studied.

More importantly, enough material regarding points i, ii and ii are already given in this Sulekha forum.

If you cared to read SB's detailed post (which I am afraid, you haven't done), you will se why, the trunk of an elephant is indeed related to phallic symbolism.

Also, Mr.Napumsak, the ritual you elaborated, from your home state is equally open to interrogation, by academics who wish to study this ritual in greater detail, That, it is above such introspection, is a naive statement coming from you, not to say, very unacademic.

The Hindu religious texts are replete with sexually explicit, and rationally confounding information of various array of anthropomorphic gods. The folklores, religious texts all aver to the "sexual" nature of the creation of the universe. Shiva was well known in the hindu pantheon as a sexually potent god.

What, supporters of academic freedom are trying to do, is to draw different texts into a contextual reality, which is perhaps, a tad too "raw" for "civilised" minds like you. That, however does not take away the symbolism or the relationships of such explicit texts.

That, you equate, Paul's book to the unsolicited mails that you so flamboyantly state, does in no way, reduce the book, to the status of such, stated, but shows your poor degrees of comparison, not to say logical reasoning.

Following the well established rules of religious worship, does in many ways, takes our thinking away as to the origins to the birth of a religious figure, or to the attached religious symbolism.

If a academic is trying to find the meaning behind such symbolism, is in no way, given a purposefully malicious intent, as American Hindus are saying, or rather in this case, protesting. They do have the right to protest, and explain the reasons behind theier disapproval. That Emory should pander to every whim of the average American Hindu is rather a naive statement, coming from some one of your stature.

I see the post IRDF scars are still raw in your psyche, and you are retaliating against Paul, when your original subject of disapproval is something beyond. You are, purporting relationships, between these two, where none exist. Similar to Rajiv's line of thinkin, if I may add.

And, lastly, yes I DO know a lot about IRB,s and CFRs. If you need to find credibility of creating a religious IRB, you are most welcome to start a debate with me.

Regards to all the rest Napumsaks!!!



  JohnnyWalker posted 4 yrs ago

Absolutely, the IRB as NR states does protect the University! But it also seeks to protect the subjects. Indeed the IRB is set up in response to directions and guidelines from bodies such as the NIH which is answerable to the politicians and hence the subjects. But AR should also know in his/her infinite wisdom that the IRB looks not only at "experiments" but also at questionaires and that sort which are useful for example in epidemiological studies. So Ramesh Rao's idea is actually novel and worthy of consideration for the humanities where the Anthropologist/sociologist for example does get a lot of personal and other info out of "subjects". And this info can be used against them and their interests - thus deserving safeguards. So far these disciplines have largely concentrated on foreign cultures and that could be one reason for the lack of initiative among western govts and institutions for something like this. There are some unwritten codes for journalists too when it comes to the people they interview. So why not for the people who study the Phallacies!!!!



  Narayanan Komerath posted 4 yrs ago

Is the argument being made that "since" some postor has posted some justifications of Courtright's pornography, I don't have the freedom to post my opinions on it? Sorry, my reaction to that would be the same as what the ill-advised American Airlines pilot did at Sao Paulo airport when asked to be photographed and fingerprinted. :)

Yes, we do need to bring this thread back to discussing the issues raised by the article, but that is what I tried to do, by posting some direct quotes from the book, and from comments made regarding the controversy elsewhere.

Incidentally, I am not aware of whatever brilliant logic "SB" posted to rationalize child pornography writings being passed off as "religion" books. If Courtright wants to write lurid KKK-type hate fiction (which is what he ends up writing), he should have been honest enough to categorize it as fiction and fantasy, and the reviewers / foreword-writers should have been honest enough to point that out too. Instead they describe his work as "ingenious" - i.e., using runaway imagination and fantasy instead of trying to determine history or providing solid basis for hypotheses regarding people's mindsets (which is my kindergarten-level understanding of high-falutin' words like "pisko-analysis").

The book is plainly cheaper stuff than most of the XXX-rated stuff which I am privileged to receive unsolicited through my e-mail these days, and the content is quite similar (all about length and rigidity etc. of whatever obsesses Courtright). This is my guess, from my limited experience of opening such e-mails, and reading the arcane religious literature from the Emory Dept. of Bigotry.

AR, near where I come from, there is an ancient temple of Kali at a beautiful place called "Kodungalloor". A name which inspires awe amongst everyone there.

There is an annual festival there - an area of rice fields, coconut groves, seaside and fisherfolk. Predictably, a considerable amount of "spirited" celebration accompanies this festival, and one of their traditions is that of singing, shall we say, rather colorful songs - involving the Goddess too. In fact, of the few things that the simple folks there can give as offerings to the Deity, super-quality coconut "hooch" figures prominently, and of course they partake in the "prasad" liberally before commencing the singing and dancing.

I am not quite sure about the origins of this tradition of singing such songs, but presumably they have something to do with warding off evil spirits, or remembering what some demon said before being deservedly dismembered by the Goddess.

Let me assure you that repeating those lyrics, even the ones referring to the might of the Goddess (and especially those!) would get one into SERIOUS trouble in any household in that region. For a non-Hindu to start reciting those in public would be a readymade recipe for a few stabbings and maybe a full-scale communal riot, depending on the state of politics and proximity to pay day.

Though the area is dominantly Marxist in voting preferences, and has very substantial Muslim and Christian populations, no one would DREAM of repeating those lyrics or considering them to be "mainstream religious belief" - except during the festival when inhibitions are relaxed.

I shudder to think of the "research" that is going into Courtright's next book, which is apparently about the Goddess. I may not be able to visit my hometown again after that comes out, given that I am associated (rightly or wrongly) in certain quarters with Atlanta.

My point is that the reported existence of lurid folklore related to incarnations of deities among a simple agrarian population, somewhere in 5000+ years of tradition, does not constitute license for someone to grab those and describe them as the "common thread" which accurately describes Hindu religious tradition - and to invent more such where he cannot find any such myths at all.

What Courtright does, among other things, is to totally disregard all norms of civilized behavior. For instance, though Courtright is "Head" of the Department of Religion at Emory, and much of his "research" is on stuff such as "seed coming out through the head" and "erect" or "limp" "(Paul)lus", it would not be appropriate, would it, to describe him (at least in public) as "D1ckHead Courtright"? Why not, since it would be academically accurate, far more than his writings?

The need for observing basic decencies and sensitivity is well-established as one of the foundations of civilized society. This is really the sum total of the "demands", such as they were, of the "Petitioners" - to quit demeaning Hindu religion and quit stereotyping Hindus and Indians as being devoid of moral standards.

It appears that Emory University completely rejects and disregards this. Hence it is quite apparent to others, like me, that an "IRB" is indeed necessary - if they want to avoid control being imposed by an "ERB".

If you know so much about the IRB system, dear AR, then you also know that the IRB system was established, not to protect the subjects of the research, so much as to protect the institution from being closed down by the Federal Government for violating laws on civil rights. Hindu Americans, and probably everyone else, certainly have a valid case, in my opinion, to demand that Emory University be closed down until such time as they establish norms of civilized behavior, and quit endorsing and nurturing child-pornography and pedophilic writings by their senior Administrators and Faculty. It hasn't got to that stage yet, but that's only because Hindus are mild, decent people who try to seek compromise and reason - and are slow to anger. Watch more Rajesh Khanna movies and u'll see what I mean. Villain gets in MANY blows before RK wakes up and retaliates. I prefer Clint Eastwood movies myself, where Clint just mutters: "Go 'head, Make Mah Day!"

The comparison between the Emory Administration's reactions to someone uttering some ancient slang phrase (which actually means the equivalent of "fly in the ointment") , vs. someone systematically slandering the world's most ancient religion, tells it all about their priorities. They don't respond to reason.

Cheers

"nk" :) (Glad u noted the wisdom of using gender-neutral, non-offensive phraseology, like we suave, PC 21st-century types do..)



  ArundhathiRoy posted 4 yrs ago

Ramesh Rao,

Though I do agree, that the concept of Review Boards for Human subject research, I have to disagree with you, for a proposal to have a similar review board for religious stuides.

What you are trying to say is the comparison of Institutional Review Boards (IRBs) for Human Subjects for Research and IRBs for religious studies.
The IRBs are an integral part of each university, and oversee all research conducted in these universities by following a common federal code of regulation (CFR, Code of Federal Regulations, articles 44-46).
Though each IRB should follow the CFR, each IRB has sole discretion about allowing certain experiments , by revwieing the research protocol.
In religious studies there are no "experiments" on humans, and the "intervention" which brings out a "outcome" in human subjects research is regulated by a stringent set of conditions. Peer reviews in religious studies is a far better option.

Also there are no similar CFR for "religious studies". And to formulate a common CFR, is a very complex process. Take into account that each religious organization will want to influence the code to study religions, and what we have is a vast waste of time, energy and resources by all the stakeholders.

My surprise is at how "scholars" such as you bring out "solutions" WITHOUT applying reason or logic. This reduces your credibility as a scholar.

Regards to all (Napumsaks).




  Ramesh Rao posted 4 yrs ago

The peevish challenge that Courtright raised -- "should I get the permission of 800 million Hindus to write about Ganesha?" -- had been boring a little hole in my brain since I first read it, and finally this morning, I found an answer to why it has been bothering me so much, and also, I found an answer that is very much part of academic training and expectation in this country.

In the 1950s Stanley Milgram conducted studies on "obedience" and authoritarianism at Princeton (if I recall right). The experiment included asking people to administer electric shocks to a person (a collaborator of the researcher) if he got an answer to a question wrong. Some of you may recall it. Anyway, to cut it short, it was a "mock" situation in that the subjects who chose to administer those shocks did not know the experimental condition. They allowed themselves to continue to give higher and higher amount of such "shocks" all because a person in a white coat stood next to them and said it was ok and they should continue with the disciplining. Milgram was interested in finding out if normal human beings could be made to behave in a way that they could punish/harm someone, and to see if the Germans in WW II were either ugly exceptions or merely carrying out orders by "authorities". The experiment showed that we are all easy prey to authority.

Interestingly, one of the fallout of such experiments (which included experiments in Stanford where students were made to take on the role of prisoners and prison guards) was the concern about the deleterious effects on the subjects in the experiment. Such experiments can no longer be conducted, and to make sure that experimenters and subjects are fully aware and are informed about the particular experiment being conducted universities now have a committee called something like "experimental subjects review committee" to vet every proposal for study and to make sure the experimenter does not transgress boundaries for ethical treatment of subjects.

So, how is it that in the humanities we do not have such committees? Should we not have them? Here is an opportunity for us to argue that such committees, now taken for granted in the social sciences, should become part of humanities research too. If we are so concerned about a small group of subjects being put in conditions that may harm them emotionally, physically or psychologically, how come we have no rules for speculation in the humanities that could also lead to emotional and psychological hurt to larger sections of people/society? Standards could be developed for the conduct of such research just as standards have been put in place for the social sciences.

Ramesh Rao



  ArundhathiRoy posted 4 yrs ago

Mr. Napumsak (a.ka. NK),

One small rejoinder. Read SB's essay (here) in support of Courtright. SB, gives a lot of literature which strongly concurs with most of the objectionable statements, that hindus found wrt to Ganesha.Infact, the author, and Vishal (author of another similar essay here) have not replied to the queries set forth by SB.

I think, we should bring this thread back from its original derailing (unwittingly done by you).

Regards to all!



  Narayanan Komerath posted 4 yrs ago

No, I certainly didn't enjoy it. But as you pointed out accurately, and Professor Courtright has been urging everyone to do, one MUST read his book to find out exactly what his contexts were - and why he wrote what he did. I did. I had to find out whether it was

a) Honest intellectual endeavor or
b) Peddling filth for a few bucks doing what he does best - expressing his fantasies of bigotry, pedophilia and child-pornography.

Was he really sincere in trying to find out accurate contexts for the many myths/ legends he heard/read? Or did he go for the worst, lowest filth each time, and then invent much more of the same? Why did he put that "new" cover on his 2001 Edition, aimed for mass sales in India, and through the internet? "Scholarship" or something a bit less noble?

The one about Ganesa going around Parvati alone, was special. He dug that one out from something some Sinhalese guy (who was probably neither Hindu not Buddhist) wrote in a probable arrack-sodden state, from some obscure sect's folklore as he misinterpreted it. He was seeing "v****s" where others saw mangoes, just as Courtright was seeing "Phauls" everywhere.

Didn't matter one bit that Courtright KNEW that the mainstream legend was the innocent story about BOTH Shiva and Parvati sending their sons off on a race, and Ganesha circling BOTH of them to win the prize. Courtright still went straight for the utter filth.

Throughout the book (and what I posted is a pretty accurate set of samples, verbatim) the idea conveyed is that all our beliefs are the basest, crudest filth. And that he, Mighty Professor, is of course just informing the Civilized World of what exactly is behind these "repulsive", "monstrous" representations in which we pagan wretches believe.

After reading through the book, back and forth for a few days now, I conclude that its (b).

Best regards. Must be a really fun Party School, this EMORY UNIVERSITY, if this is the sort of crowd they have as Department Chairs and Professors. Great environment to send one's kids (yes, I AM being sarcastic.. )



  Vividisha posted 4 yrs ago

Thank you for taking the trouble to post this. After reading the extracts in the artcile by RM I was curious to find out the contexts in which the author thought it fit to bring in his explanations and analogies.

PS: I am assuming that your remark asking me to enjoy the extracts was a sarcastic one since I doesn't seem you yourself did -- "filth" as you say.



  Narayanan Komerath posted 4 yrs ago

Enjoy!

1. “Repulsion at the form of the deity with an elephant head and suspicion that there may be more going on than meets the (Western) eye, is a good starting point for our inquiry into this unusual deity.”
Ref: Courtright, P, “Ganesa: Lord of Obstacles..”, p. 4

2. “It is particularly difficult to know how to proceed from the point at which the various myths in their variant versions are assembled in the lush landscape of the Pauranic texts (the narrative level) to an interpretation of these myths. We could start almost anywhere and work our way around, examining each theme and metaphor until all the myths are accounted for in a network or tapestry of meanings. My way out of this welter of possibilities is to seek the elements in the myths that are most common and recurrent or most striking in their uniqueness, to begin with these and thence be led to other myths that shed light on the first ones. The most striking, and obvious, recurrent element in the Ganesa cycle of myths is the elephant head. Hence our analysis begins with an inquiry into elephant symbolism and mythology and its relation to the Ganesa story. The elephant head in turn leads to the myths of Ganesa's birth, beheading, and the receiving of his elephant head, which in turn leads to myths of his beheading. Beheading connects his mythology to the larger metaphorical universe of sacrifice, dismemberment, initiation, and theogony. Because it is Ganesa's father who beheads him, the story is tied to the cycle of Siva myths and to the issue of father-son relations. This opens up the possibilities of psychoanalytic interpretations, centering on the Oedipal complex...“ Ref: Courtright, P, “Ganesa: Lord of Obstacles..”, p. 19


Ref: Courtright, P, “Ganesa: Lord of Obstacles”, p. 95
“...The elephant trunk, which perpetually hangs limp, and broken tusk are reminiscent of Siva's own phallic character, but as these phallic analogs are either excessive or in the wrong place, they pose no threat to Siva's power and his erotic claims on Parvati.”


As for "context", well, anything or nothing appears to be perfectly adequate for the good professor to imagine such wonderful interpretations..

“From the psycho-analytic perspective, the symbolism as the location where the battle occurs is significant. It is the threshold to Parvati's bath and bedroom, symbol of her shrine, womb, and point of sexual entry. It is the place simultaneously of union and separation. Ganesa the child is coming out of the door at the moment Siva the husband is attempting to get in. The doorway is not big enough for both of them at the same time; one must prevail, and, of course, it is the father. The resolution, at lease initially, must fall in his favor.”

p. 117:

"The particular type of mutilation Siva inflicts on Ganesa is also significant. As Robert Goldman points out in commenting on Ganesa's beheading, “This particular mode of displaced castration is a common feature of Hindu legends. Beheading is, moreover, a regular symbol for castration in dreams and fantasies” (pp. 371-372,; cf. Freud, pp. 366-369). In traditional Indian yogic physiology, the head is the receptacle of both thought and sexual potency or seed. In Tantric descriptions of the process of spiritual liberation [moksa], the seed is drawn up from the sexual organs through the various centers [cakra] along the spinal axis until it is released through an aperture at the top of the head [brahmarandhra cakra or sahasrara cakra] (cf. O'Flaherty 1980, pp. 17-61). "

p. 124:

"“.. Ganesa’s mother.. Offers the prize of a mango to which of her sons can go around the world
First. Ganesa wins by circumambulating her and eats the fruit and then gets beheaded. …
.. The mango is a vaginal symbol. Hence Ganesa’s eating the fruit is an act of incestuous possession of the mother for which he is punished by beheading, symbol of castration, and his celibacy is his punishment for acting out his incestuous desires”


“The descriptions of Parvati’s doting enjoyment of her son evoke the delight with which Indian women indulge their young children…… Women saints and chief female devotees of male gurus are frequently called “mother” by their disciples… In the myth Parvati has other reasons for creating Ganesa than the enjoyment of mothering a son – she seeks protection from the intrusions of her husband with his insatiable erotic expectations. So she stations Ganesa at the door to her private
chambers, her bath – symbolic of her sexuality. There at the doorway he stands between his father and mother… … she then stations her other son, Viraka – the one whom Siva had made – at the doorway to spy on her husband’s extramarital amorous exploits. (p. 107 -108) "

.. “Iconographically Ganesa’s body is that of a plump infant …the iconography is clear enough: Ganesa is a child, a baby. .. When shown in group settings with his parents, he is depicted proportionately as a small child to an adult."

But nevertheless, Courtright proceeds right ahead, peddling his kinky stuff:

“.. Ganesa is generally represented as celibate, a celibacy suggested visually and perhaps caricatured by his exaggerated but perpetually flaccid trunk. Finally his insatiable apetite for sweetmeats a source for many amusing tales – raises the question (from a psychoanalytic perspective) of whether this tendency toward oral erotic gratification may not serve as compensation for his arrested development
at not reaching the phallic stage.. He remains celibate so as not to compete erotically with his father, a notorious womanizer, either incestuously for his mother or for any other woman for that matter”

“Both in his behavior and his iconographic form Ganesa resembles in some aspects the figure of the eunuch. Standing at the doorway, guarding but not entering the inner chamber of Parvati’s house or “watching all the women who come to bathe (as he does in the story cited above), Ganesa is like a eunuch guarding the women
Of the harem. .. Eunuchs.. Have the reputation of being homosexuals, with a penchant for oral sex, are looked upon as the very dregs of society..”

Context for the above? None at all - even Courtright can see that, but it doesn't restrain his lewd fantasies one bit:

"“Although there seem to be no myths or folktales in which
Ganesa explicitly performs oral sex, his insatiable apetite for sweets may be interpreted as an effort to satisfy a hunger that seems inappropriate in an otherwise ascetic disposition, a hunger having clear erotic overtones. Ganesa’s broken tusk, his guardian’s staff, and displaced head can be interpreted as symbols of castration. “ pages 110-111

"“This combination of child-ascetic-eunuch in the symbolism of Ganesa – each an explicit denial of adult male sexuality – appears to embody a primal Indian male longing: to remain close to the mother and to do so in a way that will both protect her and yet be acceptable to the father. This means that the son must retain access to the mother but not attempt to possess her sexually”

Overall, the context for the filth is: "Need to sell book. Ain't got nuthin original. So write porno, and get Wendy Doniger to give glowing endorsement for the same, and Dean Robert Paul to write high-falutin' garbage about pisko-analysis. "

Sorry - I am just a geek. What do I know about sophisticated intellekchill stuff?





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