Courtright Twist And Academic Freedom

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Unlike with Christianity, Judaism and even Buddhism in North America, there is no more mainstream counterbalance to the more radical approaches taken by scholars to Hinduism. Christians of a more traditional or mainstream inclination have many seminaries and publishing houses to train scholars and publish books. For every...... Expand

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  BubbaBean posted 4 yrs ago

"Narayan Komerath (our very own Napumsak) "

I thought several people tried telling this asshole "Arundhati Roy" that it would be a good idea to start getting civilized. Must be too much of an idiot to take any hint, so let's try making it clear.

For a stupid Communist coward hiding behind a bogus moniker and abusing all the privileges of the internet by spying on people who post under their own honest names, you do have a brave way of tossing personal insults around, don't you?



  ArundhathiRoy posted 4 yrs ago

Guys, sorry to interrupt your INTELLECTUAL debates. Ofcourse, all you guys talk about is anything BUT intellectual.

NARAYAN KOMERATH:

For eg, Narayan Komerath (our very own Napumsak) states that Pauls' Book should not be banned, but instead, the GOVERNMENT should EDUCATE the public about what constitutes true religion and therefore educate the lumpen against the porn of Paul.

This infers to

The Government's duty for RELIGIOUS EDUCATION: Translation: A certain non-constitutional government's duty. Go on NK, prove to everybody, what sometime back was proved beyond doubt. And get into more trouble. All the best wishes. My, my, give these guys a rope and see them hang themselves!!! Laugh Riot!

LIBERTARIAN INDIAN:
[Libertarian Indian : a non-sexual handle therefore a napumsak as well, (Proud Hindu/Indian please note: Nothing to do with starved carnal desires or any such. Sulekha gives us mortals the freedom of having a male OR female handle, and therefore, in THEORY everyone on Sulekha is a Napumsak!!)]

Libertarian Indian states that Freudian Psycho Analysis is non-scientific, and using SCIENCE in religious studies will AID religious studies. Libertarian Indian, did you, with all your "intellect" consider, if you use science to decipher the ORIGIN OF ANTHROPOMORPHIC GODS? If science is used to decipher such theories,ALL religious
studies will accelerate the process of denying the PHYSICAL existence of GOD. That leaves the religious scholars the option of spirituality, and belief: a purely mental dimension. This mental dimension, which on the application of science will REDUCE all religious beliefs as "conditioned behavior". Which ofcourse I truly endorse. ALL RELIGIONS ARE CONDITIONED BEHAVIOR.

KARNA:

Karna states that westerners use the term "myth" for studying eastern "brahmic" religions, and "history" to study "abrahmic" religions. And the distinction between both is blurred. When you are studying religion, ofcourse the distinction is blurred. Religion is centuries old, and our method of capture and storage of religious data has ony started a few centuries back. Oral tradition of texts is still under furious debate. This applies to both "brahmic" and "abrahmic" religions equally. As much as you guys are accusing the westerners of DISTORTING hinduism, YOU GUYS ARE EQUALLY DISTORTING HINDUISM IN A CONVENIENT INTERPRETATION. Hinduism is the most plural of religions, which can be simultanoeusly your undoing and saving grace.

This whole thread is a convenient interpretation. I saw this article link in the AIF. Now, NK will come and start jumping up and down and pass comments in his extremely abysmal humor, and say that, it does not have any sinister motive. But, I beg to differ. Having this article as a AIF link, undermines BOTH AIF AND Sulekha. So, this whole exercise is an exercise in self-destruction.

Guys, I can't be more clear than THIS!! I rest my case!



  libertarian_indian posted 4 yrs ago

Psychoanalysis is pseudoscience. It is as scientific as astrology.

http://www.adam.com.au/bstett/SkepticsPsychoanalysis90.htm


The issue is not denigrating gods. People are free to write books. There is no objection if courtright is an ordinary author. He should feel free to write whatever he wants and if one feels insulted it's his problem. But academics are different. They have an exalted status in the society. If you read any newspaper article you will find quotes for academic experts because it adds credibility to reporter's article. Their (academics') opinion is often considered the final word on any topic. Again, there would be no objection if he uses scientifically valid methods in social sciences. But psychoanalysis is pseudoscience.

http://www.adam.com.au/bstett/SkepticsPsychoanalysis90.htm

It is as 'scientific' as astrology. Can you imagine a political science professor or an economic professor basing their political prediction or economic prediction on astrology?



  JohnnyWalker posted 4 yrs ago

Karna, I think you have an important point. If there is one thing that the Humanities and Religious Studies fear, it is the scrutiny from Science and scientists/engineers etc. The hard evidence that science can provide to justify its claims, none of these disciplines can to the same extent. That is not say that Science can see and understand everything right now or that the Humanities revel only in blind speculation, but a little bit of pressure from the other side can make the social sciences a little more critical and little less speculative. Human psychology has to progress very far and certainly beyond Freud to make the social sciences rest on solid foundations. Until then they will be too vulnerable and excessive subjectivity will rob them of much needed credibility.



  Karna posted 4 yrs ago

The Western (and Leftist) paradigm is to make distinctions between "myths" and "histories", the former being the tradition of "pre-modern" societies like India and the latter being that of the West -- objective, robust, etc. So, in their view, it is all right to play around with "myths" but necessary to deal seriously with "histories". So, it is acceptable to write stuff like Courtright but not acceptable to write stuf like Taslima (because she is distorting "histories").

The truth is that outside of hard natural science, there is really not much of a distinction between history and myth. Indeed, so much of what passes for history is indeed myth, to be revised over and over again from one era to the next.

Christian beliefs, so the perspective goes, are founded on "factual events", but "pagan" (and Hindu) beliefs are founded on mythologies.

To a believer, especially a person who goes entirely on faith, how does it matter whether the one in which one reposes faith is a "reality-based" Jesus or a "mythical" Ganesha? In both cases, it is faith in some mental image. Dissing Jesus and dissing Ganesha are exactly equivalent.



  libertarian_indian posted 4 yrs ago

I came across this article:

http://www.h-net.msu.edu/reviews/showrev.cgi?path=235881074159759

This article is on how westerners thought about buddhism in the 19th century. Even in the 21st century things have not changed much with "scholars" like courtright. A few quotes from the site above:

"Catholic preachers such as Ozanam declared that, behind his serene mask, the Buddha was Satan himself in a new incarnation. The Buddha's cult of nothingness aroused in Felix Neve's soul the need to liberate Buddhist peoples from their errors, weakness, and immobility".

"Barthelemy Saint-Hilaire took a further step and denied that such a "deplorable and absurd" faith could be philosophically relevant, even asking whether such a strange phenomenon meant that human nature in India "is still the same nature we feel within ourselves," "

Courtright's "research" provides ammunition to hindu haters who can now cite academics to prove how "uncivilized" the hindus are.



  maruti posted 4 yrs ago

Shivaji: ‘Research should be taken with the altruistic aim of benefiting humanity’

Pune, January 20: Some of the remarks made by James Laine in his book, Shivaji: Hindu King in Islamic India (Oxford University Press, 2003), seem more like willful, calculated sensationalism than honest scholarly approach. Despite his apology, which as of now he has practically withdrawn, there are certain issues that need both examination and comment. As Laine himself admits as much in the book, he has very cavalierly presented gossip and innuendo without an iota of documentary substantiation, and then on that basis, proceeded to construct his flawed thesis.

Naturally, we must question his motives in undertaking such an underhand exercise, especially since next to nothing has appeared in the media by way of comment on the actual contents of the book.
To suggest that Shahaji was not Shivaji’s ’biological father’ is implausible, incredible and outrageous! Unlike lax norms of familial or marital propriety that characterise ’civilised’ Western societies, loose speculation about someone’s ancestry is a very serious matter indeed even in contemporary Indian ethos, not to speak of conditions three centuries ago when societal sanctions must decidedly have been immensely more rigid and consequences of their transgression, all too tragic. A scandalous event like the one implied in the book could scarcely have escaped immediate detection, judgment and censure.
Anybody indulging in such conduct would have courted severe social stigma, especially someone like Jijabai who both hailed from and was married into aristocracy. The progeny of an allegedly ’unholy’ relationship would never have been accepted as king by a tradition-bound people who looked upon the monarch as an incarnation of Divinity!

On page 93 of the book, Laine states what could be described as out-and-out hearsay: “Maharashtrians tell jokes naughtily suggesting that his guardian Dadaji Konddev was his (Shivaji’s) biological father”! The ordinary reader may well wonder whether seemingly casual inclusion of naughty gossip is a convention in serious cross-cultural scholarship! As a matter of fact, love and adoration of Shivaji is the bottom-line truth, and we have never come across such a motivated rumour until Laine’s book was published.

It must be asserted that Shahaji was forced to lodge his expecting wife and yet-to-be-born child in the safe haven of the Shivneri fort because of untold political uncertainty prevailing around the time Shivaji was born (and not, it must be mentioned, any estrangement between husband and wife as some writers with fertile but skewed imaginations attempt to portray).
Shahaji, an accomplished soldier and general, was literally on the run with his protege, the boy king Murtaza Nizamshah, in whose name he was virtually ruling the Nizamshahi. Immediately after the fall of the Nizamshahi in 1636, Shahaji’s new service in the Adilshahi took him to Bangalore, but he continued holding and administering through Dadaji Konddev his old land grants in the Pune region.
According to the custom of the day, he took another wife in Bangalore who gave birth to Vyankoji the founder of the Thanjavur Bhosale dynasty, distinguished by their patronage of both Tamil and Marathi culture and the arts. All these facts are well documented and should suffice to prevent irresponsible speculation on account of Shahaji’s absence from the Pune region.
On page 91, Laine asks, “Can one imagine a narrative of Shivaji’s life in which, for example: Shivaji had an unhappy family life? Shivaji had a harem? Shivaji was uninterested in the religion of bhakti saints? Shivaji’s personal ambition was to build a kingdom, not liberate a nation? Shivaji lived in a cosmopolitan Islamicate world and did little to change that fact?” Had he really read and gleaned anything from the references listed at the end of the book, such questions would not have arisen.
For instance, it was practically de rigueur for men of status in Shivaji’s time to have more than one wife. To go much further back, let us recall that Lord Rama’s father too had several queens. The custom had nothing whatsoever to do with practices prevailing in a ‘‘cosmopolitan Islamicate world.’’ However, isn’t having several legally wedded wives very different from keeping a harem? Surely, Laine appreciates the essential difference!
Also, as Shivaji’s biography reveals, he was surrendered to sages like Ramdas and the pre-eminent bhakti poet, Tukaram, of which well-known fact Laine feigns such complete ignorance.
With adequate answers to each one of Laine’s questions easily obtainable in his references, is his pretence indicative of a deeper, sinister motive to compromise, restrain and perhaps even destroy the extraordinary reverence in which Shivaji is held?
For a presumably accomplished scholar (we refer to his curriculum vitae) who spent several decades in close contact with Maharashtra, it is amazing - even distressing - that Laine has understood almost nothing about the veneration Shivaji commands in ’native’ consciousness. In that sense, his scholarship may well have been wasted!
For him to say now that he had ‘‘foolishly misread the situation in India and figured the book would receive scholarly criticism, not censorship and condemnation’’ is appaling, at the very least. You can hardly foolishly misread a situation that has existed for over three centuries, the study of which is the declared intention of your scholarship, not to mention the ‘‘love of the Shivaji story’’ you avowedly evince!
Because Laine has indirectly questioned Shivaji’s paternity without a shard of documentary evidence, he sadly gets categorised in the class of detractor, not scholar and his claim to a ‘‘love for the Shivaji story’’ falls to pieces! Incidentally, there are certain to be ‘‘other ways of reading the historical evidence,’’ but only if historical evidence, and not malicious fabrication, is offered in the first place.
Shivaji is not merely a ‘‘Maharashtrian’’ hero, as Laine not so subtly avers in his facetious apology. Shivaji was the first Indian leader in relatively recent history to contemplate political self-determination and successfully put it into practice at a time when all others were blissfully unaware of both the existence and possibility of such a thing! Such visionary quality alone elevates Shivaji to a pioneering ’national’ stature, head and shoulders above all his peers and contemporaries.
His exploits had obviously become common knowledge even during his lifetime. Bhooshan, hailing from the environs of the Mughal capital wrote epic poetry about him, while Chhatrasal who travelled from Bundelkhand to seek employment with him was bade to return to his territories and there establish his own independence. The slant in Laine’s apology to localise and thus limit Shivaji’s influence is not as innocuous as it appears - something not likely to be overlooked by discerning readers!
There seems to be more to the book than mere scholarship. One is reminded of what Thomas Paine wrote, in a slightly different context perhaps, in the opening lines of his ‘The Rights of Man’ about Edmund Burke’s unwarranted interest in French affairs. It amply illustrates a tendency to dabble that Laine evidently shares with Burke: “Among the incivilities by which nations or individuals provoke and irritate each other, Mr.Burke’s pamphlet on the French Revolution is an extraordinary instance. Neither the people of France, nor the National Assembly, were troubling themselves about the affairs of England, or the English Parliament; and why Mr. Burke should commence an unprovoked attack upon them, both in Parliament and in public, is a conduct that cannot be pardoned on the score of manners, nor justified on that of policy.” (London: J.M.Dent, 1993, p. 7)
With suitable substitutions, the sentiments expressed by Paine could apply rather well to Laine’s avoidable blundering foray into Indian culture and history.
It might be perceived by the populace that one of its greatest heroes is being put under an iniquitous microscope with precisely an objective to marginalise his cultural pre-eminence. Such heinous strategies may have worked beautifully under colonial rule, but are less than likely to work now - a reality Laine appears to have dangerously overlooked. A significantly large proportion of the Indian polity has begun ’thinking independently’, albeit to the detriment of brokers of international geo-political stakes. In this sense, the book might well qualify as yet another attempt at fragmentation of the steadily developing strength of a society that is waking up to a realisation of the many historical frauds perpetrated on itself for centuries.
If, unfortunately, promoting social discord was indeed a purpose of the book, the attempt may have partially succeeded with what happened at the Bhandarkar Oriental Research Institute (BORI). Unless we desire lumpen elements to take undue advantage of the fallout of the regrettable BORI incident, concerted and well informed public opinion needs to be nurtured to arrest and neutralise machinations of a wildly proliferating class of pliable political paid pipers!
Because Laine has blatantly used, in the matter of Shivaji’s parentage at least, sources that cannot pass the test of reliability even by a long shot, it is necessary for scholars to scrutinise the entire work for its truthfulness, especially the development of communalised identities upon which he dwells at great length.
All frivolous ’scholarship’ needs to be unequivocally discredited and disowned by intellectuals in the interests of veracity and probity in academia.
While undeniably condemning the attack on the Bhandarkar Institute archives, with the plea that the guilty should not go unpunished, should we not also examine the role of the so-called ’thinkers’ who might perhaps unwittingly have assisted if not actually set up Laine’s mischief in the first place? Laine mentions in the Acknowledgments (p. viii) that his ‘‘scholarly home has been the Bhandarkar Oriental Research Institute in Pune’’ where he ‘‘profited from advice and assistance.’’
Once the BORI administration realised the explosive nature of the book’s contents, and how they were sitting on a time bomb for all these months, it might have been appropriate for them to issue a strong public denial and condemnation of the author, in no uncertain terms, for his highly objectionable effort to convert innuendo and gossip into a historical truth.
It is up to Laine to inform his readers as to how and where he dug up this disgusting rumour casting aspersions upon the character of Shivaji’s mother, who is herself a figure of great veneration to all. She was a single mother of great character and substance in those days and the fountainhead of Shivaji’s life’s work.
Needless to state, all this only applies if the real intention behind the book was more than what Laine declares. But from even its very title, the book comes through more like an exercise in skulduggery, strongly suggesting the ’other’ possibility!

If ‘research’ is undertaken with the altruistic aim of benefiting humanity, one wonders how the present book can achieve that end. Scholars ought not to forget that institutions supporting them are rooted in their particular indigenous ethos to which they must be accountable, especially when the results are sought to be commercially exploited through book sales?

http://cities.expressindia.com/fullstory.php?newsid=73826



  maruti posted 4 yrs ago

For Joshi, siege bad but Laine’s remarks worse

PUNE, JANUARY 19: Union HRD Minister Murli Manohar Joshi on Monday made it clear in no uncertain terms: The January 5 attack on the Bhandarkar Oriental Research Institute (BORI) is condemnable but the reference to Chhatrapati Shivaji by author James Laine is equally deplorable.

‘‘Such references, based on no evidence nor facts, need to be strongly repudiated by our intellectuals. There ought to be a probe to find out motive behind the same,’’ Joshi told reporters.

He described the attack on BORI as an onslaught on the country’s heritage of knowledge. ‘‘The fact that 150 people from outside come here and attack the institute in an organised manner shows laxity on the part of the law enforcing agency,’’ he said.

Joshi flew in here late on Sunday night to survey the damage caused in the attack on BORI by around 150 members of the Sambhaji Brigade, in protest against Laine’s book Shivaji: A Hindu King in Islamic India. Laine had acknowledged help of some historians associated with BORI.
Joshi also slammed the title. ‘‘The book may have been withdrawn from the market but 10-20 years ahead if it continues to exist, it will get the status of reference material. Laine’s references need to be strongly repudiated at intellectual and academic level.’’

http://www.indianexpress.com/full_story.php?content_id=39528



  Narayanan Komerath posted 4 yrs ago

"self-censorship" - Well .. its just a proactive, altruistic desire: since these folks have missed out on adult supervision throughout their growing-up days, and still don't have adult supervision in their workplaces. For instance, their mommas apparently went around handing out "v****s" and expected rather unspeakable "service" where Indian mothers handed out mangoes to their kids for athletic races - see Courtright quoterite in my post a few posts ago. We could sort-of induce the desire in them to behave more like responsible adults.

Give them the common-sense / decency lessons of which they have been so cruelly deprived in childhood.

As I mentioned, what these folks call "banning" of books in India is merely removal of inflammatory material from easy public access, just to protect innocent lives and property. Do you think anyone is going to bother you if you take a copy of "Satatic Verses" in your baggage through Mumbai airport? Hardly. Its not at all like, say, taking a copy of "Hustler" or one of the Courtight Intellectual Tomes through Riyadh airport - which is likely to result in truncation of "Paulus". :)

So GOI should quit calling these "banning". Its merely "removal as a precaution". As for "referring to these 20 years down the line", what is needed there is effective rebuttal and trashing of the porno- author's works and worldwide revelation of the work as being in that category.

Cases could be filed against libraries and bookstores which indulge in FALSE ADVERTISING. For instance, putting a copy of "Hustler" along with "Barney the Lovable Dinosaur" in the children's section would be a no-no even in the most liberal of places. Thus, how dare they put Courtright's porno in the "religion" section? That's blatant false advertising. And Laine's creations are falsely advertised as "history / religion" when it really should go in the "lurid fiction" section. Even Laine now admits that he just sort-of put those stories in there ...

Reminds me of Pankaj Mishra's interview with an Australian newspaper (Sydney Morning Herald?).According to him, he just writes: "Sometimes its fact, sometimes its fiction, whatever.." if I remember the "quoterite". These so-called "researchers" are at the same level of intellctual honesty.

Every time these guys are referred to in writing, they should be referred accurately, as "Emory University kiddie-porn pusher Courtright" or "MacAlester College lurid-fiction vendor Laine" .

If the Top 100 hits to the names of these guys contain those accurate descriptors, what do you think are going to be the references to their work 20 years from now? Others can write "history" too, u know .. Academic Phreedom and all...

Prime Minister Vajpayee has the right solution, though it might take some time to implement. Like 1 month, if we were seriously inclined to put our efforts to it. We did it in the case of Pakistani propaganda about "Kashmir" - look at the media and web coverage on that, versus what it was in, say, May 1999 when I first started looking at it.

Energies need to be redirected. The Power of the People IS really awesome, and though our types are slow to get riled up enough to take action, once we really decide to go after something, well...

In looking at all this, I cannot help remarking (and agreeing with the flame-postor here) that the fortunes of the "South Asia Religion Furniture" do seem to have taken a downturn since the day they signed the anti-IDRF slander petition, with all their pompous titles and all... hey??

Maybe there ARE a few good reasons why we were taught as children to be a bit humble and have the good sense to not go attack orphans and leprosy patients as a sport, like these pompous scumbags did???

The coincidence in Laine's er.. "name recognition" occurring in such good temporal alignment with Courtright's meteoric rise to ... whatever he's rising to.. and certain other pleasant events facing Emory's President recently...




  JohnnyWalker posted 4 yrs ago

Narayanan, I see what you are saying. That we could create conditions to induce 'self-censorship' by making authors such as Courtright face potential damages to their wallets and to their images. No doubt, Hindus are getting increasingly organized and this should be possible right now. That may be one reason why the Courtrights and the Courtwrongs in RISA and elsewhere are smearing Hindu and Indian organizations as fundamentalist, nationalist, even fascist - as a way to preempt their opposition. I too was making a case for censorship/banning and indicated that there should be flexibility towards that idea. Total opposition to banning might be unreasonable since it might be a faster response and an ideal one under certain circumstances.





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