Courtright Twist And Academic Freedom

Dec 20 2003  | Views 14205 |  Comments  (293)
Unlike with Christianity, Judaism and even Buddhism in North America, there is no more mainstream counterbalance to the more radical approaches taken by scholars to Hinduism. Christians of a more traditional or mainstream inclination have many seminaries and publishing houses to train scholars and publish books. For every...... Expand

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  BubbaBean posted 4 yrs ago

"We are losing the fight for (pornographic vending) and for critical voyeurism. ... boycotts seem a tremendously ineffective weapon. But the question then becomes: what can we do? Is there anything that we scholars in the West can possibly do to help ..? "


Oh, YES! Do Scholarship on Japanese Traditions, with practical experiments on ancient system of Hara Kiri. ??? Make it MANDATORY for all MadRISA Scholars to try that experiment?

(Just being hopeful here).



  BubbaBean posted 4 yrs ago

Has anyone asked why a public-funded computer server and ISP (www.sandiego.edu) is being used to spread religious hatred by these damn commie kiddie-porno-pushers?

Shouldn't Arnold Schwarzenneger be asked why Californians' tax money is being wasted here on this "MADRISA"? Its like Americans being asked to fund the Binor Madrisa in Karachi directly, instead of sending the money through Musharraf.



  krikkku posted 4 yrs ago

And then there is the Indoy Sepoy - Amod Lele, who never tires of licking his superiors various parts (flaccid or not). The funny thing is now he is in dilemma, Oxford has banned Laine's book, so along with that stupid Indian Motilal publisher who we don't mind banning in future, do we also ban the very reputed British publisher - Oxford ? No no, what to do now, the light at the end of the tunnel is becoming dimmer and dimmer (esp with these blinkers that I have put on), etc, etc. Funny to see their collective panic!

Finally his egoistic question at the end, how do "we scholars" help the "world's largest democracy" retain it's tradition of "critical scholarship" ? What ever will these stupid Indians do without the "help" of "us scholars" ?

http://www.sandiego.edu/theo/risa-l/archive/msg07501.html
Looking at more websites on the Bhandarkar story, I just found another awful detail, which I don't think has been mentioned on this forum yet: according to two of them, Oxford UP has withdrawn Laine's book from print.

http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_852694.html? menu=news.scienceanddiscovery.archaeology

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/396943.cms

I know some of us were intending to boycott Motilal over dropping Paul Courtright's Ganesa book. But Courtright's detractors, of course, were paragons of civility by comparison to the Shiv Sena thugs. I respect the reasoning behind that boycott and did consider participating, but if we are to boycott Motilal over their action, it would seem that for consistency's sake we would need to boycott OUP as well, when they have caved in to a far more egregious group. It would seem incredibly difficult to do both, however. I wonder if there will be any publishers left eventually for those who try.

We are losing the fight for academic freedom and for critical scholarship. In the situation as it has now come to stand, where Motilal's retraction is apparently no longer an oddity but an increasingly standard practice, boycotts seem a tremendously ineffective weapon. But the question then becomes: what can we do? Is there anything that we scholars in the West can possibly do to help the world's largest democracy retain a tradition of critical scholarship without fear of censorship, whether by goondas or respected publishers?



  krikkku posted 4 yrs ago

RISA's eminent "scholars" are getting more aggresive (and stupider at the same time). While one fool wanted to "dedicate a panel to Jim's book", another fool wanted to organize a "broader panel" at the AAR to "dedicate" to "Jim's book" as well as on the "Ganesh issue" and "perhaps one on censorship and authority issues relating to doctrine, writings of westerners from Sikh perspective." (quotes taken from the scholarly posts). Finally, another fool chimes in on how all this reminds her of "Hitler's men" spreading their hatred and silencing views that didn't suit them and "I am afraid too, afraid to say a word, afraid that I will become a target physically or emotionally, that I will lose things that are precious to me.". It is as though there are mass murderers or fatwas being issued by these so called terrorists against people who don't conform to their views. Panic buttons being pressed, India is unsafe for "scholars", etc, etc.

FROM http://www.sandiego.edu/theo/risa-l/archive/msg07551.html :

I would suggest a broader panel, one with a paper on the Ganesh issue, one on Jim's book, and perhaps one on censorship and authority issues relating to doctrine, writings of westerners from Sikh perspective. I would be willing to volunteer on that. I also have a lot of experience on the hows
and whys of book banning from the British period.

I do not want to organize the panel but I would be happy to participate.
Cordially, Jerry Barrier

Theme: Indian religious traditions and Indian politics: the role of western
scholars and emerging issues.
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Cort"
To: "RISA Academic Discussion List"
Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2004 2:22 PM
Subject: [RISA-L] Re:attack on BORI


> Another possible response to the events in Pune, albeit a response that
> would occur well after events, yet one that might be very useful for
> everyone involved in RISA, would be to dedicate a panel at next
> November's AAR to Jim's book. (I probably won't be in San Antonio, so
> I'm not volunteering to organize this.)
> John Cort

FROM http://www.sandiego.edu/theo/risa-l/archive/msg07552.html:

I refer to two recent URLs provided by RISA members on
the BORI events. These two struck me as especially
important. Thanks to Laurie Patton via Deepak Sarma
and to Swami Tyagananda for providing them. The
first,
http://www.indianexpress.com/full_story.php?content_id=39275
is an article by the distinguished Marathi poet/writer
Dilip Chitre, who was also thanked by Laine. Now he
has an armed bodyguard sent to him by the Maharashtra
government. He’s "aghast" at Laine’s former friends
turning around to condemn him or apologize for their
association with him. He refers to the
Talibanization of Maharashtra.

The second
http://www.thehindu.com/2004/01/17/stories/2004011706380100.htm
reports on a speech by Prime Minister Vajpayee who has
"disapproved of the growing tendency to oppose
violently, boycott or ban books because one disliked
the views expressed therein." "Paying rich tributes
to Shivaji, Mr. Vajpayee recommended that the book be
read and understood. He could understand criticism of
books but not ban or boycott. He preferred discussion
to such actions and recommended that people could come
out with well-written and better-researched books by
way of reply. ‘If you want to make a line appear
short, do not erase it but draw a longer one beside
it.’"

A mild condemnation but in the present situation, with
government functionaries and police in Maharashtra
going after the author and not the vandals, we should
appreciate it.

I want to express thanks and respect to Dilip Chitre
for taking a courageous stand in an atmosphere where
publishers and "friends" are rushing to condemn the
besieged author.

I remember the documentary footage of
Krystallnacht--windows smashing, people being dragged
out, thrown down, degraded, by men behaving as if
their violent force is invulnerable, unchallengeable.
I remember the films of Hitler’s men destroying art
and burning books that didn’t suit the image of the
Third Reich.

Until now I’ve said nothing in this conversation on
RISA. I am afraid too, afraid to say a word, afraid
that I will become a target physically or emotionally,
that I will lose things that are precious to me. I
know that everything we write in this forum is
monitored. I’m teaching a course on "Gandhi and
Nonviolence" and working with the poetry of Kabir.
They both exemplified fearlessness and inspired us all
not to give in to fear.

linda h



  Mehta Jihadi posted 4 yrs ago

Why are you people even responding to this ArundhatiRoy/Manjariv ? All this silly c*nt wants is ATTENTION.



  krikkku posted 4 yrs ago

As I wrote earlier, AR/RV/KR/ManjaiV is SINO or SIGO personified. Sense In, Nonsense (or Garbage) Out. I just pity her brainless prattle and also try to provide some humour to soulless discussions by tearing her fondest beliefs and silly unsubstantiated comments to shreds - some people will say not a nice thing to do to handicapped people, but I think that is the right way to make her stop talking nonsense (she is ofcourse welcome to debate properly if she somehow gets it off her peanut sized brain that all people against her are Hindutvadis or Ignoramuses).



  ProudHindu92 posted 4 yrs ago

Guys,
there is no point fighting with AR.
She deserves pity.
She is a se*ually frustrated lady longing for ONE GOOD TIME....
Thats why, she keeps challenging people by calling them napumsak so that they are provoked to SATISFY her ...



  BubbaBean posted 4 yrs ago

Bogus coward postor "ArundhatiRoy" says:

"Would you believe me if I say, I am NO communist, neither do I have RISA connections? Nor do I plan to have any?
Sulekha is an open forum. As every open forum, it is used and abused. I see Sulekha being abused by you, and you see it being abused by me. Where do we draw the line? Apparently, we are not drawing the line. Sulekha is. Tone down your rhetoric will you? If only reason could aid this rhetoric, but then I am asking too much!! Enuff said Mr.Bean, continue your "intellectual debate". "

No, I would not believe you, because your record as a liar, a micro-brained coward and an obnoxious disruptive postor is very clear.

Try posting under your own name if you want any respect. And try learning some basic manners. Your behavior is more filthy than that of Courtright, so you ARE probably RISA - or maybe EMORY faculty.

"If only reason could aid this rhetoric,"

And YOU are capable of REASON?



  Narayanan Komerath posted 4 yrs ago

"Guys, I can't be more clear than THIS!! I rest my case! "

Yes, we know, you can't be either clear or honest. The FOIL's clarity of expression has always been matched only by their honesty and thinking ability.

Very illuminated, for example, to hear that I argued for the Government to teach religion. If the FOIL says so, hey, who am I to argue?

BB,

"Arundhati Roy" = "Maveli" ??? Same level of IQ...



  ArundhathiRoy posted 4 yrs ago

Bubba Bean,

Would you believe me if I say, I am NO communist, neither do I have RISA connections? Nor do I plan to have any?
Sulekha is an open forum. As every open forum, it is used and abused. I see Sulekha being abused by you, and you see it being abused by me. Where do we draw the line? Apparently, we are not drawing the line. Sulekha is. Tone down your rhetoric will you? If only reason could aid this rhetoric, but then I am asking too much!! Enuff said Mr.Bean, continue your "intellectual debate".





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