Need I belong to only one religion?

Feb 14 2003  | Views 7288 |  Comments  (258)
So how did 'Hindu' become a religious designation? It was in the encounter with the adherents of two major proselytizing Abrahamic religions -- first Islam and then Christianity that the idea of 'Hinduism' successively took shape in the form of an Abrahamic religion. The question of religious identity was first posed to the dharmic community in its encounter with Islam... Expand

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  Bhadraiah Mallampalli posted 5 yrs ago

Friends, Heard on bloomberg radio yesterday, someone telling that the US soldiers who have a faith are better accustomed to taking the pressures of war and those who don't have faith usually experience a shock or worry why they got into this or why such things happen to them. I wonder how any athiest US soldier or a soldier with a different "non-faith" such as Buddhism, is supposed to feel after this comment! By contast, when VHP tried to distribute religious symbols along with other useful stuff to wounded soldiers of Kargil, the army chief told them "NO THANKS". Bhadraiah



  rasikara posted 5 yrs ago

I read the article with great interest nodding my head and found it to be comprehensive and excellent. I also read some of the recent comments and realized how much more there is to know and debate about our rich heritage. If only we can agree as Indians about our Brahminic origins and adopt that as a good starting point, making a shortcut to the here and now, kind of bypassing all the confusion that has happened in between to compartmentalize all the religions and castes and other divisions, it would be a great achievement for us as Individuals and Civilization. Perhaps instead of indicating our religions as "Hindu", "Mulsim", "Christian", etc we should introduce "Dharmic Hindu" / "Brahminic Hindu" etc. That would just ring more true to many of us who believe in the pluralistic nature of our beliefs.



  pradip gangopadhyay posted 5 yrs ago

Vishnu, Different Shankara Maths suggest different dates for Shankara and his disciples. This is the reason why no modern scholar, either western or Indian, accepts the dates given by the 5 maths. You will find a very good discussion on this point in the book on Shankara's life by G.C. Pande. Only a few days ago the various Shankaracharyas agreed to accept 44 bce as Shankara's date which is in disagreement with the 2500 years claimed by Kanchi Math. PG



  Vishnu ram posted 5 yrs ago

Pradip, I was reading your references to the times when Sri Adi Sankara had lived. Kanchi Mutt (one of the five mutts established by Sri Sankara) maintains that HE lived around 2500 years ago. Contrary to what you have said about the life span of Sri Sureswaracharya, the mutt's website indicates that he lived till 407 BC. You can check their website at www.kamakoti.org. Or check the following URL for complete list of acharyas since the time of Sri Adi Sankara. http://kamakoti.org/peeth/origin.html#appendix1 It's important for all of us to realize that there is very authentic information that suggest Sri Sankara lived 2500 years ago. It is likely that others were influenced by Sri Sankara. Vishnu



  pradip gangopadhyay posted 5 yrs ago

Troy, Majumdar is an extremely well known historian. This is the reason why I expressed surprise that Majumadar would make such an elementary mistake by claiming that Shankara copied his monotheism from the forefathers of the Moplas. This would be a very reckless claim since Shankara's date is still not very well known. You may have seen a recent news report that the Shankaracharyas have decided to fix 44 bce as the date of birth of Shankaracharya. This date is based on the Guru parampara list of one of the Shankara Maths. This list is not believable since it claims that Sureshwaracharya lived 625 years! The best scholarly evidence can narrow the birth date of Shankara between 600 and 800 ce. A few years ago it was claimed that Shankara lived between 788 to 820 ce. Most recent works suggest a date between 650 and 700 ce. Given this extreme uncertainty in Shankara's birthdate I found it extraordinary that Majumdar would stick his neck out in such a reckless manner. Then there are other pieces of evidence that goes against the Islamic hypothesis. Shankara's position is very similar to the 4th century Buddhist philosopher Nagarjuna's work at least as interpreted by Chandrakirti. (This is the reason why Ramanuja accuses Shankara as a prachannabouddha in his Sri Bhasya.) Shankara's parama Guru, Gaudapada, also had a similar position and Gaudapada's date is between 550 to 700 ce. It seems impossible that there can be any islamic influence on either Gaudapada or Nagarjuna and Chandrakirti since the first Islamic expedition reached India in 637 ce. Then there is also the internal evidence in Shankara's Brahmasutra Bhasya. There Shankara specificaly mentions his debt to the Bahsya of Bhagavan Upavarsha. Unfortunately, Upavarsha's writings are now completely lost but I doubt any one would claim that Upavarsha was influenced by Islam since Islam was not there at that time. Finally, muslim orthodox position is strongly against any kind of monism. It takes the position that Allah is completely transcendent and should never be thought of as the world. Given this situation I expressed doubts on whether Majumdar would write such a thing. I thought that may be some other historian is being confused with Majumdar. I was not given any reasons why Majumdar would suggest an Islamic influence on Shankara. I was only advised not to depend on WWW and fast food! I would have loved to see the reasons given by Majumdar to support his Islamic hypothesis.



  TROY... posted 5 yrs ago

Here is what everyone needs to know about Majumdar: He is very good for Indian History which dealt in the time period that he lived in. For ancient history he becomes suspect. Ive seen Majumdar talk about the aryan invasion as a historical fact in his work. But it shouldnt be surprising to any of you that Majumdar would be suspect on ancient history...We all know the British lies taught to Indians So, Indrajit, take Majumdar's ancient history with a grain of salt.



  Indrajit Ganguli posted 5 yrs ago

Bhadraiah mallampalli writes: I did not accuse you of anything so far :-) We are just talking as ourselves. Thank you. No more comments from me on this subject. Indrajit Ganguli



  Bhadraiah Mallampalli posted 5 yrs ago

Dear Indrajit, Could you please avoid the prefixes famous, respected, etc? There are some closed-loop clubs of scholarship which use prefixes like eminent, pre-eminent, etc among themselves and trash every other commentator outside their ring. I do not wish to buy new books at this time. The ancient Indian literature is extremely voluminous and we do not even have a complete list of our books. First of all for study of Hinduism the use of English itself is faulty, as recent articles on Sulekha have proved. Why would I read all the books you quote? Let us present all arguments as our own. I will not accuse you of theft of ideas or copyrights. As long as you don't reproduce his whole books, I don't think the publisher will have any problems. I myself borrow so many of Sankara's arguments without all the time mentioning his name or quoting his books, because those argumentation techniques have become a sort of standard by now. We can get into needless discusssions if we start working on third party works, and our interpretations of their works, why they said so, were they communists etc. I did not accuse you of anything so far :-) We are just talking as ourselves. Thanks Bhadraiah



  Indrajit Ganguli posted 5 yrs ago

One needs to study a lot(not WWWs) before making comments. Knowledge is available at a fast food counter. Sorry I meant knowledge is NOT available at a fast food counter



  Indrajit Ganguli posted 5 yrs ago

One needs to study a lot(not WWWs) before making comments. Knowledge is available at a fast food counter. Sorry I meant knowledge is NOT available at a fast food counter





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